The China Joke

While I was gone, apparently The China Study received some belated smackdown. I've personally never paid much attention to that book. I took several advanced statistics classes for my degree and an epidemiology class. If I wanted to base my diet on that flawed methodology, I might be more interested. But you can hash and rehash data and it won't change the fact that epidemiology (like my own science, economics) has been responsible for crap conclusions that have not bared out in the real world. I don't think economics or epidemiology are bad and in fact I'm quite interested in them, but they are rough tools that I'm not going to use them to manage my life.

As Kurt Harris said:

This is all just epidemiology, and epidemiology is bogus. Now, I don't mean it has absolutely no value. It is good for hypothesis generation. It is almost worthless for finding the truth. It is especially worthless the way it is used by hacks like Campbell who are simply trying to sell people a book that tells them what they want to hear.

You can run all kind of analytics on that China data and maybe find some interesting hypotheses to test, but then you have to worry about the data itself. I'm not sure rural Chinese people from the 80s have much to tell us about what to eat in America now. As Denise pointed out, there are pathogens present in rural China that aren't exactly common in Brooklyn, NY.

While Denise's post is certainly very interesting, I'm alarmed that she is now working with a vegan epidemiologist, but who also is a fruit-based raw vegan. While there are several academics who have formulated scientific vegan nutrition, no conventional science supports the fruit-base raw vegan diet- it's pure quackery and lately its proponents have unfortunately been trolling paleo blogs.

Evolutionary fitness is not about epidemiology- it's applied evolutionary theory. I'll be reviewing some books in the next month about that science, but needless to say, I think it's a far better groundwork for living as a human.

Comments

I've never paid attention to

I've never paid attention to the China Study because I don't consider any argument about diets seriously that doesn't incorporate an evolutionary perspective.

For instance, the idea that animal protein is bad for us, can be dismissed at the outset.

Another blog bashing The

Another blog bashing The China Study...

I LOVE IT!! I will be doing the same myself soon. :)

Just what I suspected...this

Just what I suspected...this Rayna character is a PhD student, she doesn't have her doctorate yet. Her bias and inexperience were easy to spot, as her response to Denise's work was overly boastful about her own knowledge, insulting, and misdirected. Perhaps she is just taking her cues from Campbell.

I am a PhD student in the Geography department at the University of Oklahoma, but I wouldn't describe myself as a "PhD Geographer." Her assertion that she is a "PhD epidemiologist" thus is misleading. Denise responded to her criticisms very kindly, but I think I agree with you Melissa that she would be wise to stay away from this character.

Anyone who thinks that highly

Anyone who thinks that highly of PHD students has obviously never been to college (ahem Freelea). Even at the best colleges you'd be amazed..

Rayna tried to be anon, but she didn't do a very good job...with her bragging she was easy to find.

She's also published a couple

She's also published a couple of astrology-based dating articles on eHow or something... I thought her analysis of the China Study was excellent, and I hope her astrology articles were a joke. ?!

Wait, what? I think I

Wait, what? I think I misunderstood what you meant when you said that you were alarmed that she is "working with a vegan epidemiologist"... the vegan lady seems to be trying to discredit Denise with some ridiculous arguments about proper statistical analysis.

Denise responded very kindly

Denise responded very kindly to the vegan epidemiology student's criticisms...and asked the student for help doing more statistical analysis on the China Study. The student ostensibly agreed, but it appears that Melissa's suspicions have been realized, as this student is "helping" not through personal communication with Denise but by condescendingly listing the steps Denise needs to take on her blog and on the 30 bananas a day blog.

Wait, are you suggesting that

Wait, are you suggesting that having a bunch of villages fill out a survey over the course of a few days isn't adequate enough to scientifically determine the healthfulness of a broad range of foods, like meat? ;)